Couple of pics just to get the thread up and running...
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Been working away in the engine area after discovering that some of the wiring for the lights / indicators etc. was a bit of a bodge.
Apparently 205's can suffer from problematic negative 'blocks' as they're sited below each of the lights on the front panel and eventually corrode due to exposure to road dirt.
A recognised fix is to remove the blocks altogether and wire all the negatives up to a central ring terminal... unfortunately a previous own probably made it worse with their ham fisted efforts. Well meaning, but a dogs dinner.
All sorted now and back to factory, even new cloth electrical tape on the looms throughout.
Found these on eBay, a Serbian seller who does the complete set of engine and interior stickers. They can be tailored to your specific engine spec. and year of manufacture.
Discovered some I didn't even know were missing.
The P3KB (Cherry Red) one is a thick card template to spray the paint code to the slam panel... must be laser cut (if you can do that with card?), quality is top notch.
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Been away from things for over a month now, so very little done with any of the cars.
Weathers not the best here anyway, far too cold to be working outside... I'm soooo looking forward to the better days.
Definitely going to have the car ready to attend some shows this year, anything I'm doing is more tidy up work than major off the road stuff.
Keep an eye out for the car at some of them Bill, you're welcome to a drive!
Did manage to pick up some front/rear mudflaps from a guy in Italy of all places. Old 1980's stock 'Metalplast' items, tailored for the 205 so molded to the shape and no drilling required because of the clever brackets.
A few of you'll likely recognise that name and have some of their bits on your MK2's, heckblendes, air scoops and the likes.
Still surprises me how relatively easy it is getting bits for 205's, being used to having to hunt high and low for MK1/2 stuff.
There's a guys been reproducing quite a few 205 badges etc. including copies of the original GTI mudflap ones I used below. Just so happens they're exactly the right size to cover the existing '205' script.
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Just a small fix in readiness for getting the engine bay area sorted, plus there being a new replacement one for the jack with the engine bay sticker set it'd be a shame not to...
It (and the original brace) came with the car, but being stored under the bonnet in an exposed corner for 30+ years it was looking a little tired.
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Mentioned elsewhere that for some reason the 205 came less its electric windows.
As hoped the wiring looms into both doors and back to the fuse box were all present and working, it was just a case of sourcing replacement electric motors / switches etc. and plugging them in.
Again it surprised me just how easy it was to find the bits and for small money.
Judging from the original work I suspect they were taken out early on in the cars life... the replacement manual parts are all genuine and somebody took care to fit them properly, but they'd been there a long time.
Perhaps one packed up when 2nd hand parts were yet to become plentiful and it was cheaper to fix this way?
The interior metal skin on 205's is much more enclosed than MK2's, there's just a couple of apertures for access and a speaker.
I'd some 2mm, one sided adhesive foam I use for small gaskets and such, which when cut to shape makes a perfect weatherproof seal.
Cheap, easy to work with / apply and permanent.
The inside of MK2 doors are probably too large and open for this to work and replace the plastic weatherproofing sheet, but might suit smaller areas?
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Apparently the slam panels on certain model years are this non-descript beige colour, seems odd but rather than give into temptation and tidy it up in body colour I went with what was original.
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Eventually found a near perfect match in 'Ford Dove Grey'.
The bonnet latch and striker plate would have started life yellow zinc, but that's now long gone.
Had a go at 'faking' the original finish as even after cleaning it was badly stained and I didn't want to just do it in silver or black.
Should have taken a piccy before I began, but I was winging it with left over aerosols in the garage. Came up alright I thought.
I've another small bracket to do, will try and hopefully replicate what I did!
The bolts are new / real zinc coated.
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There's only two or three mickey mouse bits that could do with a re-zinc.
Was going to get a kit and do it myself, apart from anything else it'd be the better way to apply anti-corrosion than paint, but it was a spur of the moment thing.
I'll have a stab at the bracket over the week-end and take a few pics.
Here's some more of the repro. stickers from the Serbian guys set pictured earlier, I have to assume he knows what goes where and followed his guide.
For every image you find on the inter-web of a 205 engine bay there's as many different positions (and types) for them.
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Found a 'before' photo of the slam panel I had on the phone to use as a comparison with potential paint colour matches.
The bracket's in much the same state as the striker plate was.
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Had a go at the bracket today... it holds the relays for the upgraded Turbo Diesel twin fan radiator which is all off the car at the moment so I can't show you it in-situ.
I'm not as happy with the finish this time, but perhaps when I see it fitted that'll change, the striker plate definitely looks more effective when on.
All very straight forward if you want to have a go.
First few pics are self explanatory and show rubbing down, some anti-rust and priming.
I gave it a lick of silver which isn't that obvious against the grey, then a very light dusting of red. If you look at something with a yellow zinc plate there's a pink sheen in certain lights.
Over that is a thin layer of light gold that you gently rub down with wire wool to expose some silver/red.
To my eye, if you particularly rub the edges or a raised area almost down to the original metal it gives a weathered look.
A few coats of clear lacquer brings the silver/pink out even more and protects things.
It's not going to fool anyone on close inspection, but at first glance it's effective enough... for me it looks much better than it did, plus it's only paint so if I ever wanted to do it properly, no harm done.
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Doing a stack of smaller jobs, mainly on the dismantling / cleaning side and replacing little things like dash bulbs and bits of trim that'd broken or cracked over the years. Massive variation in the quality of plastics originally used, some are so brittle they're starting to crumble just with age while others will probably outlast my current daily.
Put up a post else where about tightening up the seat belt inertia reel action that'd become slack with three decades of use and noticed the makers sticker with what is I presume the date of manufacture...
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I'm just guessing, but I think 'G' is for gauche (left) and elsewhere there's 'D' for droit (right)
Nice to see so far that most of the major components are original to the car, suggests it's not had any 'incidents', though there are some younger bits of trim here and there.
Having said that I'm not overly worried, it's an old car and things wear out / break... I've already put electric windows back in and reinstated a drivers side seat base for the passenger one a previous owner had fitted, so it happens and is part of the cars history.
Did the polishing trick I'd used on the MK2's tail lights for the clear binnacle cover, which luckily enough was easy to take off for the purpose... amazing the dust and crap that'd built up on the inside as well.
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Some borderline fakery here...
Like MK1 / 2's there's lots of stickers out there for 205's as well, to replace lost or damaged originals and I've become a bit of a sticker fetishist
While my head lights aren't original Lucas items (they're much more recent repros.) I thought I'd have a go at giving the shameless impression they are.
Didn't have any originals to work with so these are very vague likenesses based on poor internet images. The barcodes are completely make believe.
Easy to create... print off, put on double sided adhesive sheet and laminate with a clear one sided top, then cut to shape.
They're not somewhere that's going to see much moisture but I think they'll be pretty resistant, even they do weather it'll make them more authentic and you can always make some more if need be.
Feel free to use.
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Working from the edges in, getting things ready to put back together.
The red part of the rear seat belt buckles had faded to pink under 30 years of sun so while they were out getting a clean (read that as sterilised with isopropanol) they got a lick of paint. The black plastic part of the buckle got re-textured / painted too.
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Sons old undercrackers came in handy to mask off the webbing.
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Had to sit down for half an hour after the stress of having to punch holes in the new fabric to fit the refurb'd brackets.
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Making steady progress... on the few sunny days there's been it's surprising what you can get done, may even almost be at the point of putting things back on as opposed to taking them off!
At some stage the cars dummy rear light, the one that evens up the look of the rear fog light on the opposite side of the lower valance had been replaced with the reversing light version from the later phase 2. Their reversing lights were removed from the tail lights for the mild facelift just after my phase 1.5 ended.
Took the opportunity to also remove the spare wheel cradle, fittings and the wheel itself for a refurb.
The spare had been painted a dark grey so went off to a local place to get it back to the correct silver.
The tyre itself was new, in the sense that it doesn't appear to have even been used, but is almost 10 years old... borderline needing replaced.
It's 185/55 15", the stock size for 1.9's, while the tyres on the 4 x road wheels are 195/50 15's.
The rolling circumference is nigh on identical but as they too are 10+ years old I'll be getting new ones before driving further and going back to the correct size ( and Michelins) at the same time.
Found a guy on-line that does Ford stickers... if you thought VW owners were anal, check out the range he does. There's even Recaro ones for up inside the seat frame base!
https://jbclassics.co.uk/ (https://jbclassics.co.uk/)
What caught my eye was his spare wheel/tyre stickers. He does a few different ones but as Michelin MXV's are listed as OE on the factory tyre pressure data sticker, thought I'd get a few.
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Unfortunately they're for 195/50 15's (Escort RS Turbo size) but if you notice that, fair play to you.
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As 205 spares hang below the car, it'll mean from certain angles it'll be visible from the rear.
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This is a pic of a similar 1.6 that was for sale, with it's original spare, so I think he's got it pretty much spot on -
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Been after one of these since I got the car... back to the 80's this summer!
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Bit of a red letter day yesterday... rear number plate back on, which may not seem like much, but for me it marks the point where things are now being reattached and not just taken off!
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Two sunny days in a row... things are starting to move up a pace and today's looking good too.
Front number plate is now on which was a bit more of a faff than you might think.
205 front bumpers are quite slim and while there's a molded in recess where the plate will sit its much too narrow for GB plates.
Most images of screwed on plates that I've seen use the only realistic points available to attach, which are the very top left and right hand side corners as with the one below...
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Personally I think it looks odd, plus I'd imagine they're more prone to being damaged.
Made up a couple of aluminum brackets that allowed the fixing points to be the same as the rear plate and also compensate for the slight curve of the bumper meaning it now sits flat.
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More time consuming was the boot floor.
I mentioned elsewhere that a previous owner had relocated the battery to the rear and while the job had been done properly it meant when the bracket and box were removed there were quite a few holes left. They'd also welded on a small steel plate for the new earthing strap and that left further damage when removed.
There was also a few holes towards the center of the floor that had been plugged up and some screw holes dotted about elsewhere.
I thought perhaps there'd been a racing harness fitted at some point, but it now appears it was a security bracket for the spare wheel.
With the spare being in a cradle below the car it's susceptible to theft and Peugeot marketed a kit that went down through the floor to the spare wheels bolt holes.
I'm pretty sure the remaining screw holes were for a CD multiplayer.
Like the rest of the car there was no corrosion so it was all cosmetic and now sorted, means I can really move on at the rear as everything else is done and waiting.
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Haven't been putting up details of everything that's happening but things are still moving on well.
The interior, which is probably better called the exterior at the moment, is all ready to go back in. Any broken or damaged bits have either been replaced or fixed and in waiting.
The head board is even more flimsy than the MK2's, but miraculously it survived a deep clean.
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The sliding sunroof panel is much more sturdy but I've managed to misplace one of the four white plastic slides. Hopefully it'll turn up before fitting time.
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The shelf came up particularly well and now has its repo. sticker on the underside.
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The sides of the boot area are just the insides of the wheel arch tubs. Peugeot covered them in felt, glued straight to the painted metal. The original material was a pig to remove, then clean the panels of old adhesive. You can buy new pre-cut felt from Newton Commercial, but it's very expensive for what it is... so saved a few quid and did my own.
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Making real progress at the moment and hope to have the interior completely back in sometime soon... it's the little, fiddly jobs that take an age but matter none the less, that are soaking up the time.
Newton Commercial were running a promo. on eBay last year and that allowed me to get their carpet / underlay kit for a reasonable price.
I wasn't on the ball and should have ordered the boot underlay at the same time. It's also quite expensive for what it is, so got some surplus bitumen coated jute cheap from a coach builder on eBay.
Turns out its much the same as Newton use, but this is about twice the thickness.
Brilliant stuff but a nightmare to cut. My hands are covered in blisters and welts... they look like I'm two weeks into a Pornhub subscription.
I'd also roll of cheaper, thinner grey stuff in the loft from years ago. Cut it too, using the Newton set as a template, so between them it should be extra quiet now.
The jute makes a terrible mess, worse than a barbershop floor - pics are from before a good clean up.
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Since the last post the interior has fought me tooth and nail all the way, every little bit of trim, nut and bolt was a massive pain to put back on.
Finally won and the last of it was done today, though I'm nowhere near completely finished with the car... there's still from the windscreen forward to sort out, then some.
I used to have a stack of cassettes, relegated along with the old Hi-Fi to the garage, but they got binned a year or so ago during a massive tidy up.
Found a lone cassette single in an old walkman... 'Frankie Goes To Holywood - Two Tribes', so now know that inside, out having listened to it over and over getting the stereo working.
Jumped the gun a little and put some of the stickers and other bits on, trying to keep from thinking of the work ahead!
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Glove box junk -
Showing my age here... As a rule I'm not a hoarder, but I have kept a few things from my early driving days way back in the late 1980/90's.
Unfortunately it's now probably not going to happen with all the uncertainty around at the moment, but as I'll actually have a working car this summer I had planned to take the 205 to a couple of shows held near to me.
We've all seen the period stuff in cars at shows, so cue the sentimental old tat in the loft.
(I've also literally been spending tens of pence on eBay tracking down things I remember having but didn't keep.)
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Another thing I did for the MK2, so had a go today repeating it for the Pug... a period tax disc.
I know there's people doing this commercially on eBay and the like, even bought one years ago, but as good as they were it just didn't look 100% to my eye.
Here's the MK2 one I did, didn't take pics as I went along that time, so hard to get a proper idea -
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If you take the Pugs date of registration in Oct 1989 and assume 12 months tax, then that'd take you up to the end of Sept '90.
Plenty of sellers of old tax discs on eBay for buttons, just tried to get one that was in good nick. Ideally one for a Peugeot to save on editing later, but no luck unfortunately.
Just a case of scanning it to the PC and using Microsoft Paint.
Magnify it wayyyyy up (hides any rough bits when reduced back to actual size) and use the spray can option, it gives a good finish without any hard edges.
Substituted the Pugs registration and Peugeot for Ford by hand in biro.
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Needed something suitably period to put the tax disc up with and found this on good old eBay... Can't get much more 1980's than advertising for lung disease!
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Gear lever gaiter was the original faux leather affair and long since passed it's best, new genuine cow one even smells good.
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It's nice when something works out for you...
The Pug came less a radio, which didn't overly concern me when I was looking at the car as I've a few old 1980's/90's sets in the loft, bought for the Golfs and I knew it was an easy fix.
Got looking around regardless, to see what should have been in a 205 of that age. Came as a bit of a shock just how much a factory fitted Clarion or Philips will cost, assuming you can find one in good condition.
Did a bit of research on period sets from the late 80's and found plenty of alternatives before hitting eBay
This is a good site... http://antique-autoradio-madness.org/Philips/philips-1988/philips-1988_01.htm (http://antique-autoradio-madness.org/Philips/philips-1988/philips-1988_01.htm)
The seller of the one below had it listed in a general category for parts, saying they'd no way to test it and no mention of Peugoets etc. The auction images showed it still had its transit screw fitted, so probably was unfitted / NOS as they claimed and worth a punt.
Tip... It used to be on eBay you could see how many views an item had, when it was first listed etc. but not any more.
You can still access some of that info. elsewhere by putting the item number into this site - http://www.watchcount.com/ (http://www.watchcount.com/)
Turns out the seller had first listed it in April 2019, so by October I reckoned they'd probably have been open to offers, and sure enough a big discount later it's destined for the 205.
Not the exact set Peugoet put in the 205 in 1989, but it's another from the same range, is the same age and has the same look, plus it's new / works 100%
Bet the graphic equalizer and radio tuning turn dial brings back a few memories for some of you.
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More wheel porn... tripped over this on eBay.fr for a sensible price and saying as the Italvolanti's only on loan and ultimately destined for the MK2 gave into temptation.
Momo V35, date marked 1990 along with the dummy horn push (205's have their horn button on the end of the light stalk).
Gave it a refurb. and really pleased with the way it came back to almost new.
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When I went to look at the car the guy selling it had gone to the trouble (and expense) of having the entire bottom section of the drivers seat re-upholstered using reproduction 1.9 GTI material and leather on the bolsters. He's also done the cloth sections only on the drivers backrest together with the passenger base / back rest.
Presumably they were in poor shape, but it looked bizarre leaving the remaining worn leather / material, including on the entire back seats as they were.
I'd actually have preferred if he had left things as they were, adjusted his price and I'd been able to renovate the original leather / material, keeping a uniform used look. As it was I'd never have gotten the old and new to match.
Tracked down the local guy who did the work and had him finish it with the same material / leather already used so now it all comes together as one.
Took the opportunity to strip out the seats to their frames, paint them / repair and future proof any bolster foam wear... should be good for another 30 years hopefully.
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Cool car, looks fantastic. 8)
So much attention to detail.
I love this car so much.... you have taken a lot of the fun out of it for me though .....
Who did your Agnews sicker for you? Wasn't John Bacon by any chance?
Ive a photo of an original one I always intended on having remade. Heres it vs yours, its a bloody good match.
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Did it myself insofar as you send off some basic graphics to this lot and they tidy it up / make them to your spec. - Diginate (https://diginate.com/)
The Agnews tax disc holder is genuine and from recollection has graphics on both sides. Those and a few images from the inter-web let me get it close, plus I'd a few on cars in the past and could vaguely remember dimensions etc.
Diginate also did an older version for me for the MK1 and the GTiE ones I was selling a while ago.
Don't know what they're charging these days, it wasn't too expensive a couple of years ago, considering you were getting just a few hand made.
The GTiE version paid for itself and the others in the end, so cost me nothing in the long run.
Can't find anything these days... eventually got the plates for the MK1 at the bottom of a box in the loft.
DMB did these as well as the later style MK2 ones posted earlier- the padded envelope they're in is dated 2017 so the dealer stickers would have been done around the same time.
Excuse the layer of dust on the MK2, it's lying neglected in the corner while the 205 gets sorted.
The 'Newtownabbey' Agnews sticker is accurate in that the T/N, address etc. are correct, but it's based on my (fading) memory and other generic VW dealer ones / old newspaper ads found on the WWW from the early 1980's.
As a kid I lived near the showroom and would never be out of the place cadging brochures off them or sitting in the cars, though not the Porsches!
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they look really smart. ive just photos, no dimensions
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More or less done all of the interior and the bulk of the outside so been concentrating on the engine area for the last while.
Some of the pipe work, specially the coolant ones were a little tired so took the plunge and ordered a complete set along with those for the oil, fuel and air.
That was over six weeks ago and the supplier has really let me down with some of it still not received.
Enough outstanding ones arrived today to at least get to the point were I can run the engine again (hopefully tomorrow - finished fitting what I have this evening).
I've just test fitted some of the ancillaries in these images, glad I did as the twin fan turbo diesel set up really makes things tight... some alterations were needed to the wiring routing to make it work.
It's far from immaculate, but that's not what I'm after. I like the oiled, but not oily look.
Think 1994... the car's 5 years old and done a few miles, got a few marks, but been looked after.
I'll keep it clean, but not be too worried about driving it either.
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Don’t know if I could live with the magnolia slam panel.... oem vs ocd??
Yeah, I'd paint that slam panel and take those stickers off while you're at it...
:))
Don’t know if I could live with the magnolia slam panel.... oem vs ocd??
Maybe it's because I've seen it so often, but I've grown used to it... in fact when I see one that's not the proper colour it looks odd.
Are you becoming an OE sinner... the world really is in turmoil?
The sticker set is actually very accurate, however I think it probably includes some that would have only been on continental LHD cars. I've already taken the green one off for that reason, as I've yet to see one on a UK car, but all the others are legit.
As it's been laid up for longer than expected, I took it easy getting her running and touch wood there's been no leaks or problems (so far), she actually started on the button the first time, so back in my good books after the nightmare of the interior.
Finally got the mudflaps on... took so long as the rears need the wheels off to fit and I was saving up a few jobs for the one time.
Some wee niggles since being back on the road but (hopefully) most sorted now.
Had to cut back some of the underlay behind the pedals as reverse was occasionally crunching - I knew the box was fine, it'd been checked before buying. Turned out between Newton Commercials own, my two extra layers and the carpet itself there must have been a good 2-3cm of clutch pedal travel lost, something to consider if you're doing it yourself!
Discovered the oil temperature gauge wasn't registering anything... apparently it's a common issue as the single wire feeding it runs behind the engine block and gets fried. As was suggested elsewhere, a previous owner solved the problem my cropping it off instead of replacing. Turns out the sensor isn't correct either, probably a random one put in to plug the extra sump hole. New wire and sensor will hopefully fix as the gauge itself has tested OK.
Set of red over mats on order from France, reproductions of some original Peugeot accessories... very 80's with OTT '205 GTI' logos.
Apart from those I think the interiors more or less done, going to be focusing on the underside next.
It'll just be tidying up, no concours stuff, double checking the mechanical side of things etc... the rear beams need regular attention or can fail quite expensively... prevention's better that cure.
(Forgive the red calipers... repaint is on the to do list)
Still makes you look twice when you see it beside a 'normal' car... it's tiny, though the glass is so large, once your inside you don't realise you look like a pedal car!
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Amazing...
This is DAMN impressive...
Even for originality's sake though I just can't get on board with that slam panel, proper job no question about it and looks very well done, but have to think good satin black or even body colour (not usually a fan of that but can see it here) would be an improvement.
Truly great example though.
Amazing...
Yep, completely stunning!
I think the later cars had satin black and the earlier ones either body colour or black also, not sure.
When I went to look at the car, nearly one of the first things the guy said was that the panel was original as he was worried I'd think it'd been hit and replaced.
When I'd the car apart you could see the hidden areas behind panels that hadn't been painted the final body colour and they were a similar colour to the slam panel.
I'm guessing it was just money saving by Peugeot, probably more expensive / time consuming to paint a standalone item then try to marry it up to a matching car on the production line, easier if they're all the same primer finish.
Mentioned before I think that the car has the Turbo Diesel twin fan set up, seems to have been put in early on in it's life. Old time up-grade that apparently's of no real advantage, but was popular back them
The radiator had a leak and was replaced with like for like as to revert to the smaller standard set up would have meant a new cowling and possibly other bits, so stuck with it.
It's massive and weighs a ton, plus fit is very, very tight... couldn't be done if the slam panel didn't detach easily.
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To my shame I only got around to changing the daughters winter wheels back to summer yesterday so the car got a clean as well as she'd never dream of doing it!
Love her wee Citigo, it's amazing how similar in character it is to the 205 (apart from the PAS).
Wheel / tyre size are identical spec. but the Citigo looks enormous beside the Pug.
You feel like your sitting in the bath looking out in the Skoda, but up high in the 205 because of the waistline.
Hard to image the 205 was a 'Super-mini', 30 years ago... considered one up from a small car and nowadays 'town' cars dwarf them.
Thanks for the comments, but photo's can flatter and she's far from perfect... though that means I can whizz around in her with out worrying about stone chips or dead flies.
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Towards the end, on the old forum I was asking if anyone had a 'Discarnect' fitted, as I was thinking of getting one.
Ended up doing it and got the version with the fused bypass for accessories. Worked out at less than £8.00 posted, but it's even cheaper for the one without that feature.
Got to say I'm pleased with it, well made and easy to fit plus beats connecting / disconnecting the battery if your working back and forth regularly on the electrics.
Has a limited anti-theft value if you take the wheeled knob away altogether, otherwise just loosen it off a few turns to disconnect the power instead.
The fused bypass just means things like alarms / radio codes / clock etc keep working, but if you try to start the car the fuse blows (you get 4 x with it) -
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Got my junk out for you on the old forum... some repeat offending yesterday saying as there's not much chance of getting to a show anytime soon and with the sun out here, we had our own.
A couple of things are almost obligatory now... the Feu air-freshener and old brochures, but when in Rome.
Took my cue from a few old accessory catalogues. Amazing how things haven't really changed all that much over the decades.
Rubber torch's handy for keeping the kids in check!
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Bit of 80's connectivity.
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Glove box time capsule... That's an analogue sat. nav. of Ireland for anyone younger than me.
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thanks, much appreciated!!
that aside, the car is looking amazing, very well done!!!
Been a bit slack recently, other than to drive the Pug a few hundred miles since the last post and it hasn't missed a beat.
Heavy, crashy and lots of shunt at low speed but once up to speed an amazing little driver.
Changed out the Momo to an Indianapolis Formel that I've had for years. Was destined for the MK1. and being an older three bolt one it's probably more of that era than the (not too different) later versions, but I love it and lets face it Italvolantis are just so much better than Momos!
Think I mentioned elsewhere that while the tyres the car came with were like new and Continentals they turned out to be almost 20 years old and just not safe for road use anymore.
They were 195/50 15's, the originals being 185/55's so now back to those. Michellin are currently doing a deal and since they're the 1990's french hot hatch default went for them.
Just being new, let alone a very slightly higher profile has made the ride a little better.
Being a sucker for period bits got a proper Peugoet sunroof deflector on eBay... Came less two of its three clips and the rubber seal plus a bit scratched but had all it's bolts / plastic nuts, so not much effort with the polisher has it like new. Had a spare rubber, again from a MK1 deflector and made some clips from aluminium. Peugeot pre-fitted holes in the sunroof tray to attach the deflector so being one of theirs it was all very straight forward and easily reversible, though I love them (and practical too).
3 months on and the retro mats I ordered from France have only just been made and here soon, hopefully be worth the wait!
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New over mats arrived today, all the way from France. Took 4 months to get here, but glad I did it now.
Apparently they're copies of a style available in the 1980/90's - says it all!
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No updates for a while, but doesn't mean I've not been tinkering away...
The eagle eyed will notice the thread title has changed a little... Wee Pug's officially been christened 'Jacquot' (pronounced Jakcoo apparently) by the kids after I got an old French keyring from a long since defunct Peugeot Talbot dealer.
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A shed load of under the skin stuff has been done also, too much to list without boring you.
Jacquot's becoming very cosmopolitan - finding stuff all over the globe for him, or is it her? God bless Google!
Some from France as already mentioned, including the Momo V35 from a previous post.
That's back on despite everything I said about Italvolantis.
Reason is I finally managed to track down a 'Champion Du Monde' center button. Been after one for an age after seeing it in an old accessory catalogue.
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New Bosch fuel pressure regulator to replace an after market variable one that I didn't even realise wasn't standard. Worked perfectly but was a very old 'upgrade' by a distant past owner so changed out while the fuel pipes were being done.
Found that at a BMW dealer's in Turkey.
There's lots of copy gear knobs about including the one on the Pug when I got her, stumbled across a genuine new Peugeot 505 item in Portugal. Apparently the same as 205's but the top plate is in silver and mounted back to front.
Changed that to a genuine red GTI plate, again picked up in France and put in the correct way round... bingo.
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The head lights were copies when I got the car and I have to say looked spot on so there was no intention of changing them, however when we tried to set the beams up for the MOT one just refused to play. Would have likely resulted in a failure so some used but genuine Valeo / Marchals found, refurbished and now in.
It's only when you see the original, genuine items that you appreciate just how well made they were in comparison to todays re-pros.
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The old, slightly yellow hued glass of the Marchals made the front spots (again new copies) look soooooo white and bright, seemed really odd when looking at the front of the car.
Tracked down some old SIEM's, not quite the exact match of the originals (slightly different cut to the glass pattern and chrome not black bezels) but lots of cleaning plus some tinkering and I don't think anyone'll realise.
Once again quality is in a different league and all for less than the price of the re-pros.
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Sods law but after getting the spots I may have scored a set of genuinely, genuine yellow glassed SIEM's in Italy, just too cheap not to though they haven't arrived yet so not going to set myself up for a fall just yet in case it doesn't happen.
I've also since hard wired in a dash cam and 12v socket to run my phone / bluetooth adapter for the stereo.
The ciggy lighter is very, very fragile and was straining under the constant use - didn't want to be cutting into existing looms etc. so utilised a relay box that's fitted to some later GTI's and lesser models, but not in mine. I'd just a vacant area above the strut tower, but all the fixings use existing holes / bolts so again easy to fit and easily removable.
Generic Chinese fuse bus running it's own supply from the battery, gives me 4 x auxiliary fused leads to use up.
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The 12v socket fits into an existing tray that sits just in front of the gear lever. Found a used one (Spain), so everything can once again be easily reversed -
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Nigh on everything I've done has either been my own labour or the bits were got cheaply after some searching... hopefully proves doing up an old car or just keeping it on the road can, with a little effort be manageable.
Love these little touches!
Once again loving a bit of obsessive detail,
“ Found that at a BMW dealer's in Turkey.
There's lots of copy gear knobs about including the one on the Pug when I got her, stumbled across a genuine new Peugeot 505 item in Portugal.”
As you do ....
I was Googling for Mediterranean cheese at the time - who hasn't?
This is crazy level of clean. How will you ever be able to enjoy driving it without the stress of making something dirty?
It’s just amazing though. You should be well pleased with yourself
Have to say it doesn't bother me using the car, not going to abuse it or take it out in the middle of winter, but it was got for me to enjoy and not the next person. Should hopefully gradually get more worn in with time than worn out, a look I quite like in an old car so win, win as far as I'm concerned.
Too many years missed (through nobodys fault but my own) unable to use the Golfs, not going to do the same with this one.
Wee car just loves being driven too, I honestly think lack of use would do it more harm than any risk of the odd mark or chip.
Already put over 1500 miles on it in the past 3 months, had to ring the insurance people and pay for another 1500 to take me up to May next year... never going to be enough.
The yellow SIEM's turned up from Italy, complete with covers (frames are now black).
At the moment I prefer the clear lenses, specially it being a red car. I've seen images of the yellow on both black and white cars, definitely suits those colours much better.
Very easy to change about, so can use whatever I'm in the notion for...
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Well, had to happen I suppose... those dodgy French electrics nearly caught me out a few days ago.
Was picking the young fella up from school (though he won't admit it, he secretly likes his buddies seeing the 205), and there was a torrential down pour started up half way there.
It's happened before, but even worse that time... that too started miles from home and it was like a monsoon. Fully expected the inside to be soaking by the time I got back home what with the reputation 205's have for being like sieves, but barely a drop.
This time stopped at a roundabout and lost all power, two turns of the key and back to life with thankfully no more upset and safely back home.
Then same again later that evening, trying to move it into the garage.
Turned out to be the 'shunt box' - an oddball Peugeot solution to dealing with the cars ancilliaries, sort of mini fusebox beside the main battery and leads. Single securing nut for the terminal was slowly working loose and reached the point it was making intermitent contact.
Pure luck we worked out what was wrong and quickly, but after the wee car going like a train for so long it was a bit of a wake up call and brought me back down to the reality of driving old cars.
Gave her a good clean today after so much driving lately and took the opportunity for a few photos... going to have to start hiding the keys.
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On a side note, since getting the car I've been running it on standard 95RON unleaded and it drives the best using it so have to assume the timing's been set up properly to take it.
The last tank full I put in was 97RON super unleaded and the difference is quite noticible... car's definitely got better performance when you're moving on but probably the biggest difference is actually at low speed / gears.
On normal fuel it lived up to the 1.9's reputation for being quite 'shunty' and you needing to regularly drop the clutch to stay smooth in traffic... that's now gone.
I should have checked first obviously, but it's done now and for every reference you read you get a different answer... so would like to know if moving up to super unleaded from a car set to use 95RON does it or does it not need any re-adjustment?
Engine performs perfectly on either, no pinking etc.
Think 97 is a better option, been having all sorts of “ethanol “ issues on the bikes which don’t get used much
I think the ethanol issue is something slightly different and that currently unleaded / super unleaded in the UK are both E5 (5% ethanol content) though there's talk the government want that to become a 10% (E10) minimum for normal unleaded soon though super unleaded will continue to be E5 / 5%.
There's a list of cars that can't run on E10... quite surprising just how recent a few of them are - some from the early 2000's and slightly later feature.
You're right... seems some older fuel pipes and related bits can perish quite quickly if exposed to E10.
As far as the RON goes it's my understanding an engine set up for 95RON will run fine on 97RON, may even be some noticble benefits if it's a performance orientated one.
The reverse isn't necessarily true I believe... if an engine is tuned for 97RON it's best to not use a lesser fuel.
Having said all that I'm relying on the inter-web so may well be a load of ball bags!
The owners manual for the 1.9 very clearly states that engine can't be made to run on unleaded (the 1.6 can, Peugeot even gives the timing changes needed).
The myth is that it wasn't for technical reasons (they're effectively the same engine, just a different stroke) but simply that the loss of HP was quite marked and wasn't good for marketing so wanted to encourage 4-Star use.
Got to remember too all this was written in the late 80's / early 90's and things have obviously since moved on fuel wise.
I'm no mechanic and couldn't get my head around the need for (or not) any timing changes for different RON's.
Like I said, whatever way she's set up the wee car runs perfectly on both and seems better on 97RON... I was just looking confirmation that this could be possible or is it wishful thinking on my part and I'm kidding myself... don't want to be doing any harm when a simple tune up could prevent it.
Gave my daily a good going over today, prompted by the fact it's getting its third years service the day after tomorrow.
With having just done over 3000 miles in it since the last service and being parked up for most of that time it was minging inside and out.
Even had to give the engine bay the once over due to the mass of leaves, spiders nests / webs and dust.
Having done the Peugeot a few days ago it just high lighted how complex modern engines have become, and ugly too.
Looks like they just tipped in a bucket of bits, pipes and wires.
Little wonder they put large plastic covers (off here) on them these days...
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Didn't really need it as I've not been out for a few weeks, but Jacquot got a final wash and polish before going indoors for a while. In all liklihood I'll be SORN'ing him next month once they extend his temporary MOT in early November up to May next year.
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Bit of a sore point that... would've done it when the tax ran out at the end of September, but my first exemption was for just 6 months and not a full year.
Apparently they intentionally staggered the length of them for their own ends and it was pot luck how long you initially got. They've said they fully intend to extend it for another 6 months when the time comes, but inorder to do so he has to be taxed.
With the high band that 205's are in it's £45 down the drain, just to satisfy their bureaucracy.
Took the opportunity to put on the yellow spots and like the look... you can still get period yellow glass caps for the main headlight bulbs to complete the look.
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This one's part of an old emergency kit, just pushes on over a standard H4 bulb.
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Been trying to get a definitive answer as to whether or not they're legal... lots of stuff out there, but mostly old, contradictory and could be out of date even it was correct, plus likely full of opinion and not fact.
Anyone here involved in MOT's or similar and can give an educated reply?
Not an issue though, both are easily changed back come test time and no need to risk a fail, just curiosity.
Put the yellow bulb covers on today, just to see how they look... difficult to capture in a photo, they're much more pronounced in real life.
Probably a marmite thing - personally I like them on an old french car, just looks right but probably not so much on something else (ie. MK2).
Easily swapped about come MOT time, though I don't think they'd be an issue, but better safe than sorry.
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Think I mentioned elsewhere that I'd got a Gunson gas tester?
Wanted it so I could sort out the CO2 in advance of future MOT's and have used it quite a few times so far, just to get some practice in.
I got the readings down to between 1.5 - 1.8% at one point, but the car didn't run as well as it normally does at that level... 2.4% seemed to be the lowest I could go before he started to get moody on me.
The test threshold's 3.5% so it's not a problem, but for the good running of the engine I think Haynes states the CO2 should be between 1.0 and 2.0 aiming for 1.5 ideally.
Tried a few different things that were recommended over and above what I've already done... new ECU water temperature sensor for example, but none had any obvious impact.
Jacquot's had a few 'period' mods in his time, things that a lot of owners did in the 1980's and 90's in the hope of a bit more performance - most apparently didn't work, the Turbo Diesel twin fan set up that's in him for example.
Apparently another favourite was to adjust the spring tension inside the air flow meter The black toothed wheel in the pics below)... seems it's of no real benefit performance wise either but messing with the Bosch factory settings can inadvertently affect emissions.
Got me thinking maybe someone had done it to him at a time.
Wasn't going to start tinkering and possibly break something on the one fitted so got a second hand cheapy to use as a guine pig.
It'd definitley been opened before, that new black sealant must've been reapplied at arms length but it cleaned up eventually.
They're L-Jetronic which seems to have been in various makes and models though they aren't readilly interchangable.
Once you get down to it, it's actually quite simple and robust. Just carefully took everything apart and cleaned it.
The only proper change was moving the swinging arm a tiny amount that it now runs through a fresh arc on the resistance strip.
It's all fitted up and got it down to a perfectly running 1.5% almost immediately,
I'm guessing, but It seems logical that fixing and cleaning the conductive strip alone sorted things out.
Will likely have a go at the original one now that I know it can be done, risk free.
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Excellent work, as always! 8)
A lot going on in my head... would probably be typing for hours and making no sense at all if I didn't rein myself in so this is a very, very brief outline of where I am / random thoughts on things.
I can only test for CO (with the Gunson Gastester) and nothing else - not hydro carbons, air / fuel ratio etc. for example.
I'm limiting myself to matters with the Air Flow Meter itself. I'm happy at this point that all the other influences such as air leaks, ECU temp sensor etc. etc. have been checked and everything is set up as it should be - a lot's been done.
The cars original Bosch L-Jetronic AFM's lowest optimal CO level (the point before it would start to adversely affect the smooth running of the car) was 2.4%
Haynes manual states 1.0% - 2.0% is ideally what you want for the good running of this type of injection 205.
The used, replacement AFM, pre doing anything to it also went down to the same optimal 2.4%.
Upon cleaning the replacement / adjusting the swinging arm to run on fresh conductive material it satisfactorily went down to 1.5%.
Upon similarly cleaning / adjusting the original AFM it could only go down to a higher 2.0%.
As I've now a correctly working AFM in the form of the replacement, I tried adjusting the spring tension on the original (it's the last adjustment possible and is easily reversible, but even so wouldn't have done it otherwise).
Apparently there's over 150 teeth and potential 5 x turns of the wheel containing the spring, so the 3 x notches I eventually moved it (clockwise to tighten) I think is quite a small adjustment.
The CO dropped incrementaly with each of the 3 notches down to 1.0%
The Gunson has a potential error range of +/- 0.5%.
If mine is 100% accurate, that would create a risk of lowering the CO too low so I re-adjusted the original AFM back up to the 1.5% level.
There's quite a few (mostly very old 1990's and early 2000's) guides on doing what I have just done but none relate to the 205, it's mainly Alfas, BMW's and a particularily good one for Morgans.
As with most things on the inter-web there's different opinions put forward as fact but in the case of the Bosch L-jetronic there's a general agreement about the basics which I've followed.
I'm experimenting, I've no experience or training and am just picking things up as I go along.
One area that I can't resolve is the impact these changes will have on other readings, eg. hydo carbons.
I've no means to check, but those who do know more about these things... is there an expected outcome - for example. when CO goes down does HC go up?
Interestingly one old BMW AFM guide I read gave instructions to move the wheel 3 x notches the other way inorder to improve performance some how.
Said earlier that it's possible my original AFM has had it's lid off before (though if it was it was put back on very professionally, unlike the replacement pictured above)
It may just be a coincidence but my moving it back the same amount maybe undone an old 'mod' and returned it to factory?
There's also the issue of the spring simply losing some tension over 30+ years of use and the small adjustment I made was enough to compensate?
Apologies in advance - I find this sort of stuff facinating, I'm sure others don't just so much... wish I'd done something different for a living!
The images below are of the original AFM - putting them up just for the sake of thread completeness and any other saddos.
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With the MOt extension mine was for 6 months but they extended it again a couple of months after the first 6 months so it's now due July, you might be lucky and not have to tax it.
Unfortunately they insisted I had to keep it taxed to be eligible for the extension to the TEC.
Like you I got 6 months rather than the full year others did with the assurance there'd be an additional TEC(s) to take me up to 12 months if testing remained unavailable, which it is for 5+ year old cars.
TEC ran out last week and surprise, surprise no renewal forthcoming so car is showing as no MOT when checked.
Can't get anyone to answer their help line and emails have gone unanswered... I smell Muppetry.
Finally got someone to answer the phone this lunch time... just as well as the emails have continued to be ignored and car is without an MOT for a week now
According to this person I wasn't eligble for a further extension as the cars last MOT was done in GB and not NI.
I'd raised this very point two months ago when enquiring about the tax having to run on needlessly to ensure a TEC extension.
I was categorically told it made no difference.
Rather than argue around in circles I just booked an MOT on-line and incredibly was offered one for 2 hours later at my nearest center.
Quick check of everything and headed down - passed with flying colours, not so much as a minor defect!
On a side note I'd done the emissions again over the week-end (must've had a premonition) and got a steady 1.3%.
Tester today got 1.320% so it's good to know the Gunson's spot on accuracy wise.
Hydro carbons were 153.0 (I've read 100 is the ideal for these engines, but maybe that's just a crock) even so, well below the threshold so more than happy.
Unfortunately just noticed they've knocked 20,000 miles off the true odometer reading on the certificate, going to have to get that sorted or it'll play havoc with any future HPI checks.
Car was minging already from the round trip so went for a whizz about in the rain for an hour... so tempted to keep using him over the winter, just so good to drive and not sure I can deny myself until the weather changes again.
Had to take the car back to the test center so they could inspect the mileage and correct their mistake... luckily it's not too far away and a new certificate was issued on the spot.
Wouldn't have minded so much but spent the day before cleaning him after the first outing in the rain only to have to do it all over again a day later.
While I'm glad it's out of the way for another year all this faffing about by the DVLA has pushed next years due date out of the spring time and into the winter months.
Not sure what it's like in GB but over here the soonest you can actually have a test on a car is one calendar month before MOT expiry, though you can make the booking from up to three months in advance. Very likely it'll make no difference... October is usually as bad as November.
Probably going to SORN him at the end of the month, though any potential refund on the insurance for dropping down to off road cover is tiny.
So small infact it doesn't outweight the loss of certain things that on road cover would retain even he's not being driven... so for the sake of a few quid will leave things as they are and have better peace of mind.
It's similar here. My June MOT was expended by 6 months giving me a December date. Now is not the weather to be rolling around the floor fixing issues and as I haven't used the car since March I'm thinking I won't bust a gut to get it MOTed in the next few weeks. I currently have it in bits anyway, I may as well just leave it till the Spring now. I don't expect I'll be going back to work anytime soon. I've been work from home since March (hence why I've not needed the car). My wife is back to work now which means I don't have access to the Mk5 during the day, but if I do have to go anywhere the motorbike is now taxed and tested. We had a typo on the milage on one of our last MOTs, think that was the Mk5. Spotted it and got them to correct is as otherwise will show on the history for ever more.
Before I got the car I did an HPI check and it threw up a warning / anomaly with the mileage.
Seller fortunately had all the old MOT's and that's what it turned out to be - a wrong mileage recorded on a 20 year old certificate that caused a blip in the otherwise steady rise in mileage over the years - an exact repeat of what happened this time round.
Took an age to get HPI to remedy it, wanted copies of ALL his certificates before and since - took forever to scan plus constant back and forth emails.
The DVLA website even has a help section covering it... obviously happens often enough that it's a known problem.
If it happens to you... there's short time limits to get it resolved both with HPI and DVLA or else it becomes a drawn out PITA.
Pretty happy the AFM is set up right and so the hassle of taking the anti-tamper plug in and out isn't an issue anymore.
Probably like nearly every other Bosch AFM the original bung was long gone... they seem to have been a very tight push-in fit and can't imagine anyone took much care when removing or bothered to replace them over the years.
You can buy repros. for the 205, so will suit similar AFM's of the time (Inc. MK2's) as the casing seems to be identical.
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I got one thrown in when ordering some other stuff, but it's been well roughed up after so much prising in and out - didn't fancy paying nearly a fiver inc. post to get another though.
Bought these nipple caps on eBay over the summer for just £4.20 posted when I needed them for something else, enough in the box to do me a life time.
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Turns out they're nearly a perfect fit as a bung... a little bit loose but it'll not fly out either but means they can be removed more easily if needed.
The red one must've been what was on 205's if BakerBM are correct, but if you Google MK2 AFM's I've found a few images of some with them in pale blue.
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Looks to me like the same shade as those in the box of caps.
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If you're not that worried about originality then these'll work perfectly - exact fit width wise though you may have to trim the depth (to one of the flanges) depending on how far in or out your adjustment screw is.
The originals fit flush into the hole, these have a collar and sit proud but that just means they can be taken off repeatedly.
A small detail but not just for the fussy, they also keep the crap out of the adjustment hole too.
You're after Size 14, and a pack of 10 cost £2.05 inc. postage.
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Not usually one for french cars overall, however I must say this one is so clean! Awesome looking thing! Keep the magnolia slam panel too, looking forward to future updates!
Finally got around to putting in the VDO voltmeter, though still waiting on the correct gauge of wire to connect it up.
GTI's have all the main dials covered as standard, volts was the only genuinely useful one to add.
Didn't want to be making holes unnecessarily and attached it to the underside lip of the drivers side cubby... if it's ever removed no one will be any the wiser it was there.
Can be clearly seen when driving, either looking through the wheel or moving your head slightly to the right.
The style's called 'Nachtdesign' ( Night-design) and the numerals / needle are back lit rather than the more usual illumination that shines onto the solid needle / face, should match in well with the existing gauges using an orange cap on the bulb.
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Nothing much new as far as the actual car goes, still running sweet as a nut and still putting on the miles (and apparently plenty of road dust too, didn't realise it was so bad until I looked at the photo).
Only thing to report is an old Uniflo sticker all the way from 1980's France... remember that stuff?
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Been another while since I'd anything to report, other than putting on yet more miles.
MOT's due in late November... you can apply 12 weeks in advance here, though the earliest test date they'll give you will be within a month of it's expiry, so hoping to take advantage of that and bring things forward.
It'll not change next years due date, I'll get 13 months MOT, but if I can get an earlier date it'll mean not keeping it taxed for so long and save a few quid putting him on SORN sooner.
Unfortunately no matter which date it turns out to be, at that time of year it'll still be well passed the better weather.
Got the Gunson out in anticipation, everything else has been changed already and car's running perfectly.
For last years MOT I found using it for my own CO readings they were more or less identical to the testers, so no reason to doubt things have changed.
In the months since then it'd risen to 2.3% (from 1.3%), but a bit to twiddling got it back down to a steady 1.4%... happy enough with that.
Random recent piccie, for the sake of it.
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Excellent work!
I want to get a Gunson, or the like, will help out loads setting up.
If you've ever seen one in the flesh, they really are cheaply made... a light weight plastic box and some pipes, your money's definitely not going on build quality.
There's older model, used ones on the likes of eBay, but I'd wait and get the latest digial one if possible, there's quite often offers on.
Having said that it works and should save you from an MOT fail, even if it's a bit of a faff to use and patience is required.
I got one of their 'colour tune' see through sparkplug affairs also, for checking the fuel mixture - Works well also and compliments the CO tester.
Prices for those can vary wildly - some idiotic amounts being asked, takes you to shop about.
Cheers, I'll shop around when I finally come to tune the red one, might be a while though
Late last year the MOT agency here managed to excel themselves, even by their already abysmal standards.
Upshot was when the 205 was due it's test they couldn't fit it in before expiry, I didn't have the will to fight them again so let it slide with the intention of instead getting it this year.
Over the winter, dusted the old fella off and fired him up a few times just to keep him happy.
Since we're getting closer, went for a whizz up and down the lane yesterday and it reminded me just why I like old cars.
He starts on the button, but the Bosch Jetronic has a character all it's own. Will rumble and hunt for a few seconds before a cold high idle that gradually drops to a steady 900 rpm... reminds me of the clips you see of old piston engine planes being fired into life.
Car vibrates in tune with it and the exhaust burble / exhaust smell is heaven.
I've no doubt sometime in my life I'll own / regularly use an electric vehicle, but I can't imagine it'll be remotely as satisfying to own as this old guy.
New MOT this AM.
Typical... like summer all week here, then the rain starts a few hours before the test.
Hopefully tax him Monday, though it's a bank holiday, so not sure if the Post Offices are open... you have to present proof of insurance here inorder to get tax, which means physically going to a real life building - none of your new fangled on-line stuff for us!
Took the long way home, surprised a few outside lane hoggers... love this wee car, hope the MK2's even half as much fun.
Harping back to the talk about the Gunson earlier.
Below are last years and todays official test center results, on what is probably a £100K analyser (to 3 decimel points no less).
Beside them are my puny little Gunsons for comparison...
2021 - 1.3% on the Gunson / the test center 1.320
2022 - 1.5% on the Gunson / the test center 1.530
New MOT this AM.
Typical... like summer all week here, then the rain starts a few hours before the test.
Hopefully tax him Monday, though it's a bank holiday, so not sure if the Post Offices are open... you have to present proof of insurance here inorder to get tax, which means physically going to a real life building - none of your new fangled on-line stuff for us!
Took the long way home, surprised a few outside lane hoggers... love this wee car, hope the MK2's even half as much fun.
Harping back to the talk about the Gunson earlier.
Below are last years and todays official test center results, on what is probably a £100K analyser (to 3 decimel points no less).
Beside them are my puny little Gunsons for comparison...
2021 - 1.3% on the Gunson / the test center 1.320
2022 - 1.5% on the Gunson / the test center 1.530
Hi, if the V5 is in your name and it's insured you can tax it online as long as it isn't the first tax, the DVLA pull the info from the Motor Insurance Database but you can only do it between 7am and 7pm online
Cheers Bill... will give it ago tomorrow AM (start of new tax month), hope that's the case, be handy.
Also be a bit annoying as I was made go in person at last renewal, despite car being taxed in my name for the previous 12 months.
Would it need to be continuously taxed for the on-line bit to kick in, thinking maybe SORN might upset the computers?
Having said that daughters Citigo has to be taxed every year at the PO, this time round it'll be the unbroken third cycle in her ownership.
Can't get their system to accept it on-line / nor set up a Direct Debit either.
My daily on the other hand is all on-line and DD every year.
Cheers Bill... will give it ago tomorrow AM (start of new tax month), hope that's the case, be handy.
Also be a bit annoying as I was made go in person at last renewal, despite car being taxed in my name for the previous 12 months.
Would it need to be continuously taxed for the on-line bit to kick in, thinking maybe SORN might upset the computers?
Having said that daughters Citigo has to be taxed every year at the PO, this time round it'll be the unbroken third cycle in her ownership.
Can't get their system to accept it on-line / nor set up a Direct Debit either.
My daily on the other hand is all on-line and DD every year.
I have had that previously where a break in the tax or sorn in a certain period of years? would disallow online renewal but SORN is counted as continuous, i think it's 3 years but not sure, I had one that wasn't taxed for a month between sale and not SORN did this, you also need to make sure the new MOT has updated on the DVLA website before trying.
I also had an issue of a private reg once like this also that I tried to put on a car online and it failed and I called the DVLA and they stated there was a previous break in tax so had to send it off.
Last years new MOT didn't appear on-line for just under a week, made a point of checking as you'll remember the mileage was recorded wrongly and had to be changed.
Wish they'd make it as awkward to pay all my other taxes, you'd think they'd be breaking your arm to take your money, not putting obstacles in your way!
MOT showed up when I checked this AM so was able to tax him on-line also, which is a big boon.
Has high lighted just how different our regional vehicle test authority does things to the rest of the UK.
Over covid the 205 was excluded from our temporary exemption certificates because the car's most recent MOT was done in GB and the systems aren't compatible... he could only get an MOT by being tested as normal.
We can't check our vehicles NI MOT history on-line - if it's an ex-GB car that part will still show. You have to email in a request instead. Haven't done it so far, to see what sort of format the reply takes.
A GB MOT is as valid as an NI one here and also vice versa... traders here (and likely a few private punters too) are apparently sending vehicles to Scotland for MOT rather than waiting months for an appointment locally. Suppose the extra expense / hassle must be worth it to help sell / increase the value of a car to one that's tested from one that's not.